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Oswald's Back!
« on: December 14, 2022, 06:51:56 pm »
A minute-long Oswald short was released recently, "on the eve of Disney's 100th Anniversary". Watch and tell me what you think!
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2022, 09:56:22 pm »
I really like this little Oswald cartoon, using the 1926 model that Disney owns. Disney does NOT own the Winkler or Lantz Oswald models. This is a good job of thinking with a 1920s mind, presumably by Eric Goldberg and maybe Bert Klein. Oswald's walk in the first scene has a real Chaplin style waddle and I like the way the cashier's arm snakes out and grabs Oswald by the ears. The crowd cycle in the theatre looks like a 1920s Hugh Harman style crowd. I like the business of Oswald onstage, making a cannon out of an exclamation point, and then shooting his head off, literally. The last shot is a real 1920s concept, as Oswald crawls though a hole he snipped in the screen and takes his place in the scene on the screen near Kitty. Ozzie discovers that he is the wrong size! So he grabs himself by the ears and stretches himself up to Kitty's height. This has a Keaton "Sherlock Jr." vibe. It might be fun to see more of these, as long as the thinking and staging works as well as this little cartoon. The music isn't bad, but it's just as much fun to see it silent. The overall drawing style is good, sometimes it's a little too slick for the 1920s.
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2022, 02:48:08 pm »
I really like this little Oswald cartoon, using the 1926 model that Disney owns. Disney does NOT own the Winkler or Lantz Oswald models. This is a good job of thinking with a 1920s mind, presumably by Eric Goldberg and maybe Bert Klein. Oswald's walk in the first scene has a real Chaplin style waddle and I like the way the cashier's arm snakes out and grabs Oswald by the ears. The crowd cycle in the theatre looks like a 1920s Hugh Harman style crowd. I like the business of Oswald onstage, making a cannon out of an exclamation point, and then shooting his head off, literally. The last shot is a real 1920s concept, as Oswald crawls though a hole he snipped in the screen and takes his place in the scene on the screen near Kitty. Ozzie discovers that he is the wrong size! So he grabs himself by the ears and stretches himself up to Kitty's height. This has a Keaton "Sherlock Jr." vibe. It might be fun to see more of these, as long as the thinking and staging works as well as this little cartoon. The music isn't bad, but it's just as much fun to see it silent. The overall drawing style is good, sometimes it's a little too slick for the 1920s.
I enjoyed it too, Mark! Any ideas on how you'd animate Oswald?
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2022, 10:47:37 pm »
I don't think I could animate Oswald much better than Eric and company have done here. I just like a little different model, the Hugh Harman/Winkler rabbit is a lot of fun. He is a little squatter, has shorter fuller ears, and more bodily integrity than the earlier Disney model. The Winkler Oswald anticipates Tex Avery's body flexibility, and can even do eyeball "takes". I like floppier feet than the Disney, and would favor less Felix the Cat punctuation gags like exclamation points turning in to cannons. I love a stretch, instead of the body coming apart, to me it's funnier seeing a character like Oswald stretching his arms across the room to pick up a pipe, than detaching his arms and sending them across the room to pick it up. These are all matters of taste. I also favor less volumetric inbetweens, I like a slightly unsteady "breathing" through a scene, rather than such precise control of volume. Also, Oswald can "pop" to a pose once in awhile and still look 1920s, he doesn't have to "overlap" the pose all the time. These are just a few thoughts, not to be too critical of Eric, he did fine.
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2022, 12:12:56 pm »
I don't think I could animate Oswald much better than Eric and company have done here. I just like a little different model, the Hugh Harman/Winkler rabbit is a lot of fun. He is a little squatter, has shorter fuller ears, and more bodily integrity than the earlier Disney model. The Winkler Oswald anticipates Tex Avery's body flexibility, and can even do eyeball "takes". I like floppier feet than the Disney, and would favor less Felix the Cat punctuation gags like exclamation points turning in to cannons. I love a stretch, instead of the body coming apart, to me it's funnier seeing a character like Oswald stretching his arms across the room to pick up a pipe, than detaching his arms and sending them across the room to pick it up. These are all matters of taste. I also favor less volumetric inbetweens, I like a slightly unsteady "breathing" through a scene, rather than such precise control of volume. Also, Oswald can "pop" to a pose once in awhile and still look 1920s, he doesn't have to "overlap" the pose all the time. These are just a few thoughts, not to be too critical of Eric, he did fine.
I was not intending a poop on Eric! Just curious how you'd do it. It's fun to talk to an animator.

Do you like Lantz Oswalds? How are they to the original?
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2022, 10:30:07 pm »
I love the Lantz Oswalds, saw them many years before the Disneys or Winklers. I love The Singing Sap,where Oswald sings "Johnny Shmoker" which sounds like an old German drinking song. Bill Nolan, who animated on Felix the Cat and Krazy Kat in New York in the silent days, was the top animator on Lantz's Oswalds. Lantz became very adept with sound, using music well and doing funny dialog. I also love Grandma's Pet, a parody of Goldilocks, with animation by the great Vet Anderson, Bill Nolan, Pinto Colvig and many others. Grandma is especially repulsive in Anderson's scenes. The Clown is also not to be missed, as Oswald fights off a really hideous gorilla, also animated by Anderson. Anderson's animation extremes have a massive presence on the screen, he nearly always drew the villains in the Lantz cartoons of the early 1930s. When Oswald was changed to an all-white rabbit in the late 1930s, he lost all his magic appeal as a character for my money.
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2022, 04:10:15 pm »
Really cute short. But I like the animation only of the first part, outside the theater; the rest it's too slick, typical of modern cartoons, and the slapstick is also mistimed, also typical of modern cartoons. But, to be fair, it is a modern cartoon, so yeah, it is what it is. Cute.

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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2023, 01:36:10 pm »
@Lemmethink Slapstick is in NO modern cartoons!
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