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What Was the Best Studio?

Disney
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Warners
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Best Studio?
« on: November 08, 2022, 07:28:44 pm »
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Re: Best Studio?
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2022, 08:01:40 pm »
It's pretty hard to decide what the best studio is. It depends on the most good shorts from the largest amount of shorts. Basically, i guess WB would get the vote, because, as stated, the most good shorts out of the largest number of shorts. Also, most of the directors and animators were consistently good. I mean, have you ever heard of Myron Waldman, David Tendlar, Tom Johnson, Nicholas Tafuri, and Al Eugster? Well, with WB, there's Scribner, Melendez, Perez, McKimson, and of course, Ken Muse (just kidding).

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Re: Best Studio?
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2022, 06:48:15 pm »
I chose Disney. Warner beats all with its shorts, but the first few Disney films take the cake for absolute beauty.
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Re: Best Studio?
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2022, 07:20:02 pm »
The tie-breaker is this: Would Warner Brothers have made great movies? Disney's shorts can be great or bleh, but WB is consistently good. However, if WB had made a chain of films, would they have been great?
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Re: Best Studio?
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2022, 07:13:09 pm »
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Re: Best Studio?
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2022, 04:49:08 am »
I don't think that's a fair question. Is it based on tastes, or history?

It depends on the most good shorts from the largest amount of shorts. Basically, i guess WB would get the vote, because, as stated, the most good shorts out of the largest number of shorts.

^ That's true.

I chose Disney. Warner beats all with its shorts, but the first few Disney films take the cake for absolute beauty.

And that's ^ true too.

If we are talking overall, Disney takes it easily. He made sublime art out of a bunch of funny drawings. One can't ignore that it left the biggest footprint of them all.
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The tie-breaker is this: Would Warner Brothers have made great movies? Disney's shorts can be great or bleh, but WB is consistently good. However, if WB had made a chain of films, would they have been great?

No, they would have sucked. Short films and long films are two totally different mediums. Walt Disney was a genius, he understood the animated cinema all by himself: he understood that a long movie needs different rules and different direction from shorts, and especially animation needs a different approach to live cinema.

Now take a look at Chuck Jones, for example: he did a fistful of 20mins shorts and a couple of features. Have you ever seen them? They are crap. Despite decades of animated features films to learn from, Jones simply cannot direct a long story to save his life. No matter how long his films are, the story, or the topic, he directed them with the same style, the same narration tempo, the same mono-dimensional characterization of his shorts. No wonder that his best longer film is the Grinch one, a narrated fable made of small scenes.

And that would arguably happen to Friz Freleng gag-to-gag style too, or Clampett no-rule style (but I would be intrigued by this tbh). The only true director is obviously Tashlin, which is, no wonder, a Disney student - as he always repeat. I'd pay to have an animated feature made by him; I already imagine a Porky Pig's Feat feature, which already is a great (short) screwball comedy.

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2022, 01:12:02 pm »
I have controversial taste. e.g., i don't really like most Jones stuff. Clampett's pretty good, but for 70 minutes? Nah. I don't really know about McKimson, but perhaps Friz could carry a film on his shoulders. Thing is, it would probably require most of the directors to work together, and as we all know, Jones really really really really hated Clampett, and most of them are different, which is what makes WB the best. In the past, (not the 60's garabge), you could tell them out by animator and director. This is true to an extent with Disney. MGM was really a "when-youre-hot-youre-hot-when-youre-not-youre-not" studio.

So, based on tastes, WB is best. On history? Disney seems the most popular, but WB is best for me.
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Re: Best Studio?
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2022, 01:11:58 pm »
I always saw cartoons as humor. Even if it looked mediocre, if it was funny, it won all. If it was so beautfiul is killed people, but was as slow as a 800 year old on roller skates, then i'll think it's trashgarbagelousylameness.

At least that's my thesis

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Anyway I agree the best short studios is the WB. They have too many great shorts, and too many different styles to choose from not be the kings.

To me is always been like this: Disney the greatest studios, WB the best shorts studios, Tex Avery the greatest short director, and Tom&Jerry the best series. Don't ask why, it just too true to be explained.

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Re: Best Studio? WB IS BEST
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2022, 02:26:26 pm »
It's sad that Cartoons aren't infallible. The King of Cartoons, Avery, could make one of the worst EVER and WB sputtered like 5900 year-old jalopy in the seven arts era. I'll hand it over that Disney made consistently successful films, and that there's not a series of Warner World parks (though Euro Warner would be a failure) throughout the world.
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Re: Best Studio?
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2022, 06:39:34 pm »
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Now take a look at Chuck Jones, for example: he did a fistful of 20mins shorts and a couple of features. Have you ever seen them? They are crap. Despite decades of animated features films to learn from, Jones simply cannot direct a long story to save his life. No matter how long his films are, the story, or the topic, he directed them with the same style, the same narration tempo, the same mono-dimensional characterization of his shorts. No wonder that his best longer film is the Grinch one, a narrated fable made of small scenes.
What, and not the Kipling specials? They're great, especially Rikki-Tikki-Tavi.
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2022, 12:04:36 pm »
What, and not the Kipling specials? They're great, especially Rikki-Tikki-Tavi.

Yes, they are great, but it's the same point of The Grinch. They works because of the particular book-like structure that let Jones use his flat impersonal narration; a style that works very well in (his) shorts, but not with complex stories \ characters. That's what I mean.

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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2022, 08:58:49 pm »
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Yes, they are great, but it's the same point of The Grinch. They works because of the particular book-like structure that let Jones use his flat impersonal narration; a style that works very well in (his) shorts, but not with complex stories \ characters. That's what I mean.
Hey Lemmethink, if you're a cartoon fan, I'm assuming you're a Pogo fan. Have you seen Chuck's Pogo special?
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2022, 06:40:49 pm »
Hey Lemmethink, if you're a cartoon fan, I'm assuming you're a Pogo fan. Have you seen Chuck's Pogo special?


Yeah, I do like Pogo, but I remember not liking Chuck's. In my memories it is a bland attempt, with nothing interesting but some good visual. I don't think Pogo in particular was something in the lines of Chuck to be honest. I think it may be a cute cartoon if taken out of context and not knowing the source, though.

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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2022, 07:22:30 pm »
Would Pogo work as a cartoon? It's more dialogue-focused. I just bought Vol. 1 of the Fantagraphics reprints.
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2022, 12:29:48 pm »
Maybe it's a topic for another thread, but yes, it can work. Not easy, clearly, but after all the Peanuts cartoons were beautiful; they found a great way to capture the soul of the Peanuts comics through limited but sweet and expressive animation, marvelous soundtrack, and often fantastic backgrounds. If you watch the Blue Rays you know what I mean. Probably, like the Peanuts shows, the creator should have been involved in order to make such a particular cartoon work properly.